Stacked dado head cutters for table saws

To be perfectly honest I do not use a Dado blade, if I need to cut a housing of some kind I use my router, I find it much easier to set up a running edge to run the router along, than making sure the fence is aligned, hold downs, feather boards and the like, much easier to just clamp a rail in place and run the router along it.

As I mentioned, only in a professional workshop. What the amateur does alone in the 'shop is of no concern to the HSE.

Absolutely correct the HSE have no control over what you do in your own home, unlike your insurance company that will question you or yours about any accident in intricate detail to ensure that all practicable prevention procedures where taken, if any claim is substantial and serious enough, in any subsequent court case, or coroners investigation the HSE may be called as an expert witness to verify this.

HSE intervention is in the workplace only, and regardless of your insurance company’s questions, should an accident at homew doing DIY woodworking be serious enough to make a claim (for being unable to work, disability, or god forbid fatality), HSE would still not be involved…as your DIY is not classed as being ‘At Work’.

In my 40 or so years of DIY, the worst ‘accident’ I have had was a cut/split finger top (and nail), where, due to my friend, who was assisting me lift some heavy timber frames, lost his grip and my finger was in the way when the frame landed…silly me, I should have let go too, but was trying to save it… So far, I have never had an ‘accident’ using a tool, and hope it remains that way…by respecting the fact that they can do a lot of damage very quickly, so always use a safe working method…I think… :slight_smile:

It may not be considered “At Work” but the HSE as a consultant can be called by anyone to act as an expert witness in court.

Well, I suppose someone might be so inclined, but highly unlikely I think…I doubt any insurance company would consider paying the HSE’s ‘fee’s for intervention’ costs, when insurance company’s employ their own staff to investigate insurance claims at a fraction of the hourly rate HSE charges (HSE charges £129.00 per hour plus expenses reasonably incurred).

I expect if they were required to provide ‘expert witnesses’ because you somehow manged to garot yourself on a table saw, or decapitate yourself with a bandsaw, those charges would most likely be more expensive than your average HSE inspectors fee’s for intervention (as in on a construction site).

Of course, in the event of a death of a DIY’er by such means, the Coroner is the ultimate advocate…and I suggest, merely off the top of my head…(pun intended) it could be murder most foul (usually due to other attenuating circumstances (such as the hands tied behind the back being pretty obvious), suicide (given the disposition of some DIY’ers wives to the amount of time spent in the ‘Shed’, this is understandable, or just plain old gross stupidity…

…Can I have my £129.00 cheque now please… :wink:

“£129.00” very reasonable, taking into account the amounts awarded to injured personnel by the courts, being called to give evidence is not as unlikely as you think either, insurance companies will call however they wont to prove that an occurrence was not a claimable event through non compliance with the terms and conditions of the policy, careful coaching by the barrister will ensure the oration will state exactly what is required when being questioned. Even the HSE will call expert witness’s to back a prosecution for negligence, miss conduct or failure to comply with legislative procedures or requirements, it is up to the respondent to prove that all practicable steps where taken to ensure that safe procedures where followed.

I get where you are coming from, and agree that in certain cases, e.g. a member of the public (a.n other person) being injured by a DIY’er carrying out perhaps DIY building/construction or some other work at home, and the potential ramifications that could be applied, particulartly in respect of health and safety, legal compliance and due-diligence etc, but for a self-inflicted personal injury per-sae in a DIY situation in a shed I doubt it would happen…

Any claim for an injury to oneself in the privacy of your domestic residence would likely be under a personal injury insurance cover, and insurance companies, as you point out, have many ways of preventing negligent or fraudulent claims being made, not least their terms and conditions before being able to make a claim, such as being off work due to personal injury for a period of time before any claim will be entertained, and often requiring not only confirmation from medical staff seen, but also their own appointed doctors, and all subject to regular reviews…

For my own part I don’t have, and have never had personal injury insurance… but I do have insurance for my ‘Shed’…which is what my workshop is classed as, being an external temporary building, and no suitable insurance was available under the usual ‘house and contents’ insurance…which is why I had to takle out a seperate insurance policy for it, way over and above what is considered the ‘norm’ for such buildings, that only have a faily low limit on what level of cover will be provided…and really only covers bikes, mowers, garden furniture and the like.

I even had to have an insurance assessor come to look and ‘inspect’ the ‘building’ to ensure it met their standards for protection (for structural integrity, build quality - including electrical installation and wiring, fire and fire protection (fire alarm and extinguishers) and theft/burglary protection (windows, locks and alarm etc), before they would agree to provide insurance cover both on the building, and of course the tools and machinery that are stored/used in it - and not personal injury cover for me whilst in it…although they did try to sell me that too…bless them…!!

so deep and meaningful stuff, if thats what inflates your bubble… :wink:

None of these comments would arise in a handrolic work shop!!

All tools are expensive these days, particularly good hand tools…chisels, planes, saws etc, so if you have lots of such goodies in your shed/workshop, it might be worth getting them properly covered by insurance, especially if their costs exceed the amount of ‘home and contents’ insurance applicable to exterior buildings on your property…

I just noticed this topic. It’s of interest as I observed many such discussions of the Fine Woodworking magazine forum, years ago when I frequented the place as one full of learning for the then-novice me.

American woodworking traditions are, like the rest of America, a peculiar mix of the can-do-and-try with rabid individualism of a rather macho kind. They will invent imaginative and novel ways of achieving woodworking intents but often in a fashion that is highly risky, as some sort of additional badge of honour.

The culture manifests also in the tools, particularly machine tools which have dangerous features built-in, as the individualisitas find this danger adds to their cowpoke pose. Stacked dado heads and, indeed, table saws or other whizzing machines without guards or other safety stuff are seen as “manly”.

In the Fine Woodworking forum discussions, up would pop a fellow or three to tell us of his tale of woe concerning such a machine - how it bit him, threw a plank at his head or otherwise did serious damage. In the USA, the damage is not just to the person but to the wallet, as to fix a cut-off finger or a serious plank-induced concussion costs thousands, The macho-men are often also uninsured for this eventuality as they are, well, too macho for that socialist insurance nonsense. :slight_smile:

Personally I’m paranoid about the potential for tools to do serious damage to my valuable person. After all, it only takes one incident to alter your life seriously to the worse.

But, if you are infallible, like American macho-men claim they are, feel free to cut yourself down with a mad-tool.

On the other hand, you’ll struggle to find a table saw in Europe that has an arbour long enough to take a stacked dado blade-set.

Lataxe, still whole.

“Lataxe, still whole”…and me, after over forty years of wood mangling.
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Interesting stuff…I read with interest that Axminsters new trade table saw, shortly to arrive in store, can now be fitted with a dado blade’…

All.

That’s the machine I’ve been chasing, but have now found it’s a 16amp job, and I’ve no spare breakers in my panel so need a 13amp capability.

I don’t see a problem with dado stacks and the removal of covers, dados’ by nature don’t raise above the wood so very little chance of pushing parts of your body into them, still, Americans need labels on auto batteries saying ‘don’t drink the contents’ so perhaps THEY should be protected agains dado cutters as well

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I don’t know how Ax propose to get round the current HSS regulations, but apparently the new saw does comply with them. Still a pretty fearsome bit of kit and a saw fitted with dado cutters is one I personally would think twice about using…the first thought would be enough to give me the screaming willies!

Axminster are saying that it comes with an additional guard to fitted when using the dado cutters…bit as a dado cut is in the wood, not through it as in a normal saw blade cut, I’m not sure if an additional guard is actually necessary, unless it’s intended to be closer to the upper side of the wood being cut…?

Hi, Barry…

You could fit one of these as an extension to your existing domestic supply…comes with a 16amp MCB fitted…

Hi Stu.

I couldn’t (wouldn’t!) as I’ve no electrikery experience!!
The guy who did the latest wiring in the shop didn’t even put in the appropriate MCB © and my new mitre saw wouldn’t run! I got him back to change it out, and he asked for payment!! so I won’t be using him again. I didn’t pay him btw.

So thanks but a new board (all be it an extension) and the wiring loop to a suitable outlet position is something I’m not looking to do. Cheers.

Hi my first post on this site and I have to say I am waiting for a precision engineer to make a new extended arbor shaft for my sip 10’’ table saw so I am able to use a dado blade, I am 66 years old and loved woodwork all my life, I have my own shed with many machines and fine tools I’am happy to say and I owe every thing I know about woodworking and machinery to my dad who was a wood machinist for 30 years in Garston Liverpool and watching him for the age of 6 years old I couldn’t tell you the amount of times he told me to ALWAYS respect the machine your working on and I always have,
I can’t find any reason not to use dado blades unless you an total idiot in which case you should not be any where near a machine as lethal as a table saw.

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Overall, I found it pretty funny that after my original post concerning stacked dado head cutters, and all the dripping by some here about safety etc in posts, to see Axminster produce a ‘trade’ machine with extended Arbor and state you can use stacked dado head cutters, and comply with H&S as per the book…lol… I note almost no one has expressed any more comments since :joy:.

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